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class="note-properties-title">Properties</span><span class="note-properties-count">1</span></summary><table class="note-properties-table"><tbody><tr class="note-properties-row metadata-property"><td class="note-properties-key metadata-property-key">tags</td><td class="note-properties-value metadata-property-value"><span class="note-properties-tags"><a href="../tags/comparison" class="internal internal-link tag-link">comparison</a><span class="note-properties-separator">, </span><a href="../tags/browser" class="internal internal-link tag-link">browser</a><span class="note-properties-separator">, </span><a href="../tags/steel" class="internal internal-link tag-link">steel</a><span class="note-properties-separator">, </span><a href="../tags/camofox" class="internal internal-link tag-link">camofox</a><span class="note-properties-separator">, </span><a href="../tags/decision" class="internal internal-link tag-link">decision</a></span></td></tr></tbody></table></details><p show-comma="true" class="content-meta"><time datetime="2026-08-01T16:00:00.000Z">Aug 02, 2026</time><span>3 min read</span></p></div></div><article class="popover-hint"><div class="markdown-preview-view markdown-rendered"><h1 id="steel-browser-vs-camoufox">Steel Browser vs Camoufox<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#steel-browser-vs-camoufox" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h1>
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<h2 id="purpose">Purpose<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#purpose" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h2>
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<p>Compare the two browser-automation backends available to Hermes, including the Jul 29–30 experiment and the decision to revert.</p>
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<h2 id="at-a-glance">At a glance<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#at-a-glance" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h2>
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<div class="table-container"><table><thead><tr><th></th><th>Steel Browser (CT201)</th><th>Camoufox (CT450)</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td><strong>In use</strong></td><td>Disabled since 2026-07-30</td><td><strong>Yes</strong> — primary backend</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Engine</strong></td><td>Chromium 140 (Playwright)</td><td>Camoufox (Firefox-based)</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Connection</strong></td><td>CDP (<code>ws://</code> via port 9223)</td><td>REST API (localhost:9093)</td></tr><tr><td><strong>API</strong></td><td>REST at <code>:3000</code> — create/destroy/query sessions</td><td>Camoufox REST + CDP WebSocket</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Headless</strong></td><td>Native headless</td><td>Xvfb + VNC (headed, anti-fingerprint)</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Container</strong></td><td>Docker on CT201</td><td>Systemd service on CT450</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Stealth</strong></td><td>Standard Chromium</td><td>Anti-detection fingerprinting</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Session viewer</strong></td><td>Built-in UI at <code>/steel</code></td><td>VNC at <code>/vnc-camofox</code></td></tr><tr><td><strong>Plugin</strong></td><td><code>browser-steel</code> plugin (disabled)</td><td>Native Hermes <code>browser.cloud_provider: camofox</code></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
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<h2 id="the-steel-experiment-jul-2930">The Steel Experiment (Jul 29–30)<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#the-steel-experiment-jul-2930" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h2>
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<h3 id="why-it-was-tried">Why it was tried<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#why-it-was-tried" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h3>
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<ul>
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<li>Steel promised full CDP access for richer browser control</li>
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<li>Built-in session viewer and management UI</li>
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<li>Docker-based, clean separation from Hermes host</li>
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</ul>
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<h3 id="timeline">Timeline<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#timeline" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h3>
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<ol>
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<li><strong>Jul 29:</strong> Steel deployed on CT201 via Docker Compose, Chromium 140. Hermes configured with <code>browser.cloud_provider: steel</code>, <code>browser-steel</code> plugin enabled.</li>
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<li><strong>Jul 29 (later):</strong> CDP connectivity issues surfaced — Hermes was reaching <code>0.0.0.0</code> from the plugin’s internal CDP URL. Required <code>_normalize_cdp_url()</code> patch in the Steel plugin to remap to <code>100.96.244.39</code>.</li>
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<li><strong>Jul 30:</strong> DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 went live and rejected tool names that didn’t match <code>^[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+$</code>. The Steel plugin’s tools (<code>steel_scrape</code>, <code>steel_session_options</code>) were fine, but the route through OmniRoute → Steel → CDP was unreliable with empty-stream errors.</li>
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<li><strong>Jul 30 (evening):</strong> Decision to revert — Camoufox re-enabled, browser-steel plugin disabled, <code>CAMOFOX_URL</code> and <code>CAMOFOX_API_KEY</code> uncommented in <code>.env</code>. Steel left running on CT201 but Hermes no longer routes through it.</li>
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</ol>
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<h3 id="what-broke">What broke<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#what-broke" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h3>
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<li>CDP URL normalization required a plugin patch to handle Docker’s internal networking</li>
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<li>Empty-stream errors from <code>opencode-go/deepseek-v4-flash</code> provider path — the combo strategy does NOT iterate on empty responses, they pass to Hermes’s own fallback chain (the #1 cause of “combo works but Hermes falls back”)</li>
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<li>Tool name validation on DeepSeek 0731 was stricter — this affected all providers, not just Steel</li>
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</ul>
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<h3 id="lesson-learned">Lesson learned<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#lesson-learned" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h3>
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<p>Steel is a capable backend but adds a network hop and another plugin layer. Camoufox runs locally on CT450 with fewer failure modes. The <code>browser-steel</code> plugin still exists (disabled) if needed in future.</p>
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<h2 id="detail">Detail<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#detail" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h2>
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<h3 id="camoufox-current-primary">Camoufox (current primary)<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#camoufox-current-primary" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h3>
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<ul>
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<li><strong>Deployed:</strong> Persistent systemd service on CT450</li>
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<li><strong>Connection:</strong> REST API at <code>localhost:9093</code>, profile <code>anthony</code>, sessionKey <code>anthony</code></li>
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<li><strong>Key advantage:</strong> Runs on the same host as Hermes — no network hop, no container networking to debug</li>
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<li><strong>Auth:</strong> Already authenticated into services (Uber Eats, LinkedIn, etc.) — no cookie files needed</li>
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<li><strong>Limitation:</strong> Headed via Xvfb, consumes display resources</li>
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</ul>
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<h3 id="steel-browser-disabled-but-available">Steel Browser (disabled but available)<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#steel-browser-disabled-but-available" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h3>
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<ul>
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<li><strong>Deployed:</strong> 2026-07-29 on CT201, Docker, custom <code>steel-browser-api:fixed</code> image</li>
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<li><strong>Status:</strong> Still running on CT201, Hermes not connected</li>
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<li><strong>CDP endpoint:</strong> <code>http://100.96.244.39:9223</code></li>
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<li><strong>REST API:</strong> <code>http://100.96.244.39:3000</code></li>
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<li><strong>UI:</strong> <code>https://runtipi.kangaroo-eel.ts.net/steel</code></li>
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<li><strong>Plugin:</strong> <code>browser-steel</code> at <code>/home/hermes/.hermes/plugins/browser-steel/</code> — disabled, <code>plugin_steel</code> toolset flagged <code>requires_health=steel</code></li>
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</ul>
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<h2 id="related">Related<a role="anchor" aria-hidden="true" tabindex="-1" data-no-popover="true" href="#related" class="internal internal-link"><svg width="18" height="18" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round"><path d="M10 13a5 5 0 0 0 7.54.54l3-3a5 5 0 0 0-7.07-7.07l-1.72 1.71"></path><path d="M14 11a5 5 0 0 0-7.54-.54l-3 3a5 5 0 0 0 7.07 7.07l1.71-1.71"></path></svg></a></h2>
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<li><a href="../systems/browser-backend" class="internal internal-link" data-slug="systems/browser-backend">browser-backend</a></li>
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<li><a href="../concepts/browser-automation" class="internal internal-link" data-slug="concepts/browser-automation">browser-automation</a></li>
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<li><a href="../decisions/rollback-steel-to-camofox" class="internal internal-link" data-slug="decisions/rollback-steel-to-camofox">rollback-steel-to-camofox</a></li>
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